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Does your business send e-mail to your customers? How about emailing invoices or monthly statements? Do you ever communicate with them to let them know about issues with their orders, or changes to their account? Do you ever send them a newsletter, even one that they may have double-verified with an “opt in” on your end? If you do, then you should be aware that there is a movement afoot to stop delivery of ANY commercial e-mail, unless the end user specifically says that they want to receive it by “whitelisting” you in THEIR control panel. The company is Linux Magic, operated by Wizard Tower Technoservices, and a few ISP’s have made the the unfortunate decision to use them in their efforts to prevent spam from arriving in user mailboxes. In theory this may be fine, but I believe that most end-users just are not yet savvy enough to understand how to do this, and your e-mail to them, from newsletters, to invoices, and even replies to email they sent or CC’d you in the first place will go undelivered, if this company has their way. They operate several other anti-spam technology sites, including mipspace.com, magicmail.linuxmagic.com, magicspam.com, cityemail.ca, spamrats.com and there are likely others as well, since they’re growing.
There aren’t that many complaints about them out there, in my opinion, because they’re not all that big yet. But there are a growing number of ticked off people, and I predict that number will continue to grow as long as they retain their current definition of what mail should be blocked. I dislike unsolicited e-mail as much as the next guy, and I’m happy that drastic steps are being taken all over the web to prevent people from becoming buried in unwanted e-mail. However, this blocking of users mail threatens the very nature of e-mail communication, without the knowledge of the end user - i.e. the customers of the ISP’s that hire these email fascists. Oh sure, the “knowledge” is buried in some online document or user agreement, but remember, we’re dealing with end users here. Can they really be expected to whitelist everyone they send mail to manually? A brief education When that happens, end users of the subscribing ISP’s will not able to receive mail from any business or contact that may be using one of those blacklisted mail servers. This “blacklisting” generally results in a bounced email message being sent back to the sender, with a message explaining why the mail was not delivered, and with links to follow to the blacklist removal process, in the event their IT department can fix something on their end. Once that takes place, and a mail server IP has been added to a spam blacklist, there is always a remedy for removing them from the list in a timely fashion, assuming that you’re not really a spammer. Apparently using “known spammer blacklists” don’t seem to be enough for some ISPs, and they are turning to other companies to help minimize their users unwanted e-mail, like Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd., and they have their own set of rules, that ISPs should be very wary of. Specific History <HYPERLINK “mailto:name@removed.com”name@removed.com>: Having never heard of “BMS” and knowing that our IP addresses are totally clean and not on any spam blacklists, I attempted to visit the URL they provided, and got a 404 error page not found. Frustrated, I looked up the company contact info at their site and sent them an e-mail - Dear Linux Magic, I presume you were hired by the web host or domain owner of REMOVEDDOMAIN.com, and I’m unable to communicate with my client’s key web developer on a joint project - Visiting your link “for more information” is bad, and my mail server IP is clean here - http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx Whatever the problem is, we need to resolve please. Scott Hendison Three full days later, this is the reply I get - Hello, Could you please forward this information off to the network administrators at the location where the email is being sent? They should be able to assist Thank you. – Spam Auditor – That was it!
At this point I simply forwarded their e-mail reply to my client, asked him to forward it to his developer, and thought no more of it, because I knew that we were clean on the spam blacklists, and the fact was, this was really their problem, not mine. leFor some reason his Internet service provider would not allow him to get my e-mail. A few days later one of our web hosting customers started getting identical bounce messages from one of his vendors and he submitted a support ticket to us. Now, since it was no longer affecting just me, our server administrator attempted to pursue the problem again. He was more patient than I was, and actually dug in their website to the point of finding a form to submit in an attempt to get our mail servers off their “bad list”. Two days later, when he finally did receive their response declining his request for removal, he had to phone them, and he claims he was told the following information over the phone: “We will not remove your IP , because you are allowing commercial marketing e-mails to be sent. We define a ‘commercial marketing company’ as any company who sends out bulk emails whether solicited or unsolicited. This would include companies sending out a monthly newsletter or even a billing statement notification to existing clients.” My admin then answered our hosting clients support ticket, saying there is nothing we can do to get this IP removed from their database and they have declined the removal. At this point I decided to phone them because we are not spammers, we don’t allow unsolicited email, and we are not on any of the “real” spam company blacklists. I phoned Wizard Tower Technoservices the first thing in the morning, and was told by someone named Sean that I would get a phone call as soon as manager arrived. Four and a half hours later I phoned back, speaking to Ryan this time, who attempted to help me, but ultimately said I would have to talk to Michael, and he would have him call me right away as soon as he was back. A couple of hours later, just before 5pm, I phoned back and was lucky enough to have Michael answer the phone, where I attempted to pitch my case. Michael held the company line that “We do not discuss this over the phone please fill out our form”, while he attempted to educate me on the fact that they were not really a “spam blocking service”, and that being on their list was not necessarily saying we were spammers, just that we had frequently allowed commercial marketing to take place. He claimed that “people have a right to not accept commercial email” and we were “allowing it”. I tried to challenge this supposed fact by pointing out that no, we do not allow our users to send unsolicited e-mail, and that any user that did so was immediately removed from our hosting platform. In other words, we have a zero tolerance for spammers, and we do not allow it. At that point our conversation grew heated, with him insisting that we were “commercial marketers”, yet offering no proof or citing any complaints, and then he went back to his standard line of “fill out the form” on our site and they’ll take a look. I filled out the form - This is a second removal request, being made after speaking with Sean this morning, with Ryan mid-day, and finally with Michael Peddemors, after phoning just now. “LinuxMagic DOES NOT IN ANY WAY choose which addresses should be blacklisted or not” so I’m asking you again, why we’re on this list? I’m submitting again because Michael said that this was the only way to investigate. My server admin tells me that the first removal request was declined. These IP addresses - 208.70.160.19, 208,70.160.20 and 208.70.160.40 (and likely others in our range) are on your blocking list. My admin claims that you told him that we were “allowing e-mail marketing” from our servers, and not necessarily that we were spammers. He says you told him “email marketing’ technically could include activities such as regular monthly billing and opt in newsletters or subscriptions. We are a web hosting company with hundreds of customers. We do not allow bulk e-mail to be sent, and any hosting customers that does partake in such activities are in violation of our terms of service, and quickly become ex-customers. Yes I understand that you’re “not a spam blacklist”, and that you are only maintaining a list of IP addresses that allow e-mail marketing but I need clarification please. Is it really true that monthly billing statements qualify as e-mail marketing? Thank you for a prompt response, Still, nothing happened, and I got no response from them. Over a week went by before I got another bounce, so I filled out the form again. - Now keep in mind this is the third time we filled out the form, and we’ve had multiple phone calls with them trying to convince them that we’re not spammers. If you’re going to block a company, I believe you owe it to them to tell them why, and respond to requests like this in a timely manner. I’m writing yet AGAIN, requesting information on WHY our IP addresses [123.456.789.0 ] and likely others in our range are on your blocking list. I’m also looking for verification of what my admin claims that you told him. 1. We were “allowing e-mail marketing” from our servers, and not necessarily that we were spammers. I’ve phoned three separate times, finally speaking to Michael Peddemors nearly two weeks ago, who told me to submit the form, which I’ve done. Your information claims that “LinuxMagic DOES NOT IN ANY WAY choose which addresses should be blacklisted or not” so I’m asking you again, why we’re on this list? What legitimate blacklist has provided our IP addresses? The world’s largest reference list here shows none - Please give me the professional courtesy of a response this time. Scott Hendison Within 12 hours, here’s the response I got back -
Oh I see, so now I’m abusive because I was told someone would call me back immediately, and they blew me off? I’m abusive because I had to call back two more times before I could talk to someone (Michael) who was a pompous jackass on the phone and refused to help me unless I filled out the form yet again? Does their final response above site any actual complaints? No. Does it tell me how we got on that list in the first place? No. It simply says that we are on the list, they’re not going to remove us, and they verified that yes, even e-mail billing invoices and double opt in newsletter subscriptions count against us, and we are on their “bad list”. Their “service” is not a spam blacklist, it’s just a list of domains that in their determination, for which they do not share the methodology, are “known to allow commercial e-mail solicitation”, and that does include sending out company invoices or newsletters that their customers have subscribed to. Their amazing technology isn’t even smart enough to automatically whitelist addresses to whom their clients send or CC email directly! If the white list were updated when the end user sends or CC’s mail to a domain, then there might be SOME hope here, but there’s not. I’m strongly urging any Internet service provider to consider carefully the ramifications of using Linux Magic, or any Wizard Tower Technoservices company to filter their users mail. I’m also strongly urging anyone with expected email mysteriously not arriving to ask their ISP if they use this company, and if they do… then dump ‘em. Perhaps their technology is excellent, I’m not really sure, and I don’t really care. The point is, that they are uncooperative jerks, and the fact that they offer no remedy at all for businesses who feel unfairly blocked, nor do they tell them why we’re blocked in the first place, is completely unacceptable. Since they seem to be completely unregulated by any state, federal or other agency, they are free to wreak all the havoc they wish by indiscriminately blocking mail however they want, and I suspect that some of the ISP’s that are actually using them don’t even realize it. In short, any ISP using them may have a lot of angry users on their hands… Be warned. P.S. - I’m sorry that I seem to have this much free time to write stuff like this. I don’t really, but this “email fascism” is BEYOND ridiculous and that’s why I was angry enough to write this… manifesto. P.P.S. - I seldom specifically ask in posts for Diggs, Stumbles, or any social networking sharing, but I’m asking now… |

























Wow Scott, they got you really fired up! And with good reason. Its amazing to me that a science that is so based on logic (computer science) could have so many people involved in it that don’t use very much logic. Anyway, as soon as someone doesn’t get paid because their invoice doesn’t get through…well I smell a lawsuit.
Scott,
I have also had problems with LinuxMagic and MIP Space. They consider an invoice SPAM. This is just ridiculous.
I doubt they will make it in business much longer.
I am just a normal ordinary person, a homemaker, and I use a spam blocker email service. I don’t know if I am allowed to mention their name, but I use them because I don’t like spam. Anyway, every time I try to reply to any of my brother’s emails to me, I get a mail delivery failure notification, just like the one shown above. My brother was not even aware that his ISP uses Linux Magic, and he was not aware that I was not able to send him email from my account that uses a spam blocker service. I have no problem sending him email from my hotmail account, so I knew something was wrong. I contacted my email service and they told me there was nothing they could do, and that Magic Mail probably was blocking my email for competitive reasons. I think this is totally ridiculous. I simply want to send my brother email, and it is blocked every time. I have no idea what to do about it. Any suggestions?
Signed-Frustrated-
Unfortunately Mary, there’s nothing you can do about it - that’s up to your brother, to deal with his ISP to “whitelist” you - even though you’ve done nothing wrong.
As long as people like your brother don’t complain to their ISP’s about the terrible policies and service Linux Magic provide, I’m afraid they’ll continue to grow.
In my case, there was nothing I could do either, and the condescending attitude of Linux Magics owner told me as much - and that’s why I vented in this blog post.
Hopefully some CEO at some ISP will read this before subjecting their unwitting subscribers to this company.
I am now dealing with the same problem. I have a shared hosting account - so my IP address, mail host, etc. are used by others over whom I have no control. My hosting service has just received my support ticket. Based on this, it looks like I shouldn’t hold my breath.
If it’s related to Linux Magic, then no, don’t hold your breath. Sorry, but it’s not their fault.
To get mail to that company you’re having trouble with, they’d have to manually whitelist you at their server, or wit hthe help of their ISP, or else you’ll have to change web hosts or send to them through Gmail, Hotmail etc.
To be able to communicate with other victims of Wizard Tower, I’ve had to set up a free email account at a free email provider, set it to auto-forward to the client, and I changed that to their contact info in my Outlook.
Even changing hosts is guarantee, because you never know who Linux Magic will arbitrarily block next.
Please refer your webhoste to this post - I’d love to get their input, and know how many of their customers have been affected, see if they have any more ideas etc.
It’s time to start calling out the ISP’s that are using Linux Magic, because that’s what’s causing this problem…
If Linux Magic simply had no customers left, then you, and me, and your web host, and lots of others wouldn’t have these problems.
Anyway, every time I try to reply to any of my brother’s emails to me, I get a mail delivery failure notification, just like the one shown above
Scott,
I’ve been having the same problem with these Neo-Nazis, since early Oct. Same experience in not getting timely responses, and when I do get a response, it’s all double talk.
I’m filling a complaint witht the FBI’s Internet Crime Center this morning. Have you tried that? If so, did you get any response?
Thanks for the candor Don, but I don’t know that there’s really a “crime” here. Please tell me what the FBI says though!
It’s a SHAME, but not a crime, to inconvenience people like this.
It’s a SHAME, but not a crime, that Linux Magic has decided to “declare” that legitimate business email is somehow “unworthy” to make it though their filtering system.
It’s a SHAME, but likely not a crime, that unsuspecting ISP’s are falling for this terrible system, unless they are being lied yto in the sales process.
Maybe the ISP’s don’t even realize what Linux Magic does, and when they complain to owner Michael Peddemors, they’re shown the same condescending attitude and told to “read their contract”?
The venom people feel for this company is growing now, but we’ve lost only 2 hosting customers over it, so not huge.. yet.
I’d love to see input from an ISP here that either uses them, or has dumped them, and can tell us why.