{"id":299,"date":"2006-10-26T08:44:52","date_gmt":"2006-10-26T15:44:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.pdxtc.com\/wpblog\/archives\/299"},"modified":"2014-12-04T13:45:46","modified_gmt":"2014-12-04T20:45:46","slug":"msn-search-is-better-than-google","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pdxtc.com\/wpblog\/search-engines\/msn-search-is-better-than-google\/","title":{"rendered":"MSN Search is Better Than Google?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>That&#8217;s the claim of someone that emailed me yesterday.<\/p>\n<p>After reading his email and subsequent replies to mine, I decided to post. Any thoughts? What&#8217;s your search engine of choice, and why?<br \/>\nHere&#8217;s his original email &#8211;<\/p>\n<p><em>Dear Sir:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I have been reading your pages with great interest.<br \/>\nOne thing some expert on SE, like you, needs to do is to try and<br \/>\ndetermine which engine produces the most relevant results.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I am no MSFT lover, but I think they could win the SE war because they<br \/>\n*deserve* to &#8212; their results are far more relevant than Google&#8217;s for<br \/>\nmost searches.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I know I am right, and as bad as MSFT is, they will win because they<br \/>\nhave a better algorithm &#8212; once the word gets out.   Google is fighting<br \/>\nthem on MSFT&#8217;s own turf, but Google is ignoring its own bread and<br \/>\nbutter.   It is going to be fun to watch them self-destruct.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Best regards,<br \/>\nClayton <\/em><\/p>\n<p>To which I replied&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><em>Good points Clayton, but right now, MSFT has quite a long way to go.<br \/>\nThey include too many spam pages in their index, and they seem to<br \/>\nindiscriminately rank some sites very high that are nowhere on the<br \/>\nradar of other search engines, which really makes you wonder.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>You think they really offer more relevant results? I&#8217;d like to see an<br \/>\nexample, if you want to point it out.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>That said though, they certainly have the resources to take over, but<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t know about their &#8220;deserving&#8221; it&#8230;If MSFT &#8220;deserves&#8221; anything,<br \/>\nthey deserve to have lost out to another company like Google, which they<br \/>\ndid over the past 5 years. It wouldn&#8217;t break my heart to see Google get dinged in<br \/>\nreturn though&#8230;<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Scott <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Then he came back with this &#8211;<\/p>\n<p><em>Microsoft is a monolithic monstor that deserves to fail, but Google is<br \/>\nbecoming an unfair gatekeeper of the Web.  Google dictates what is<br \/>\nimportant in a way that is not impartial but favors Big Business, Big<br \/>\nThis, and Big That..<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Here&#8217;s an example search term, something we both probably are interested<br \/>\nin:   Moore&#8217;s Law.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Working through the Google results, you quickly start finding pages<br \/>\nwith very little content but all of the SEO tricks, intentional or not<br \/>\non the part of the sites.  And, compared to other search engines, one quickly<br \/>\nruns into sites for law firms named &#8220;Moore.&#8221;   Google&#8217;s  algorithm<br \/>\nfavors sites connected with important commercial sources such as CNet,<br \/>\nZiff Davis, Intel and other large organizations.   These sites tend to<br \/>\ndraw lots of incoming links but often have very little content, text or<br \/>\notherwise.  (However, Intel happens to be very informative.)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>If Google is going to be the gatekeeper of the Web, serving as an<br \/>\neditorial filter, it is very sad that they are favoring commercial<br \/>\ninterests.  These interests already have enough entree to the public<br \/>\nmind, what with their huge advertising budgets and the controversial<br \/>\nconcentration of newspaper, TV station, and cable ownership.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Microsoft&#8217;s high-ranked pages tend to be meaty and relevant compared to<br \/>\nGoogle&#8217;s.   So do Dogpile&#8217;s, but they use better sources as well as Google.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>If you try some comparative searches for your personal favorite<br \/>\nsubjects, you might find that you will switch from Google as I am<br \/>\ndoing.  (Also, for many subjects Google Images is a better starting<br \/>\npoint than regular Google.) What are relevant results is a subjective<br \/>\nevaluation, but it is worth doing for an expert like you, I think.  You<br \/>\nprobably want to know who is best, not merely who best explains the<br \/>\nrelevancy of their algorithm.   We humans are better than mere<br \/>\nalgorithms.  It is up to us to explain why our opinions are better than<br \/>\nalgorithms and to convince others.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Best,<br \/>\nClayton<\/em><\/p>\n<p>And my reply &#8211;<\/p>\n<p><em>Well I&#8217;m not committed to either one, so I just tried the &#8220;Moore&#8217;s Law&#8221;<br \/>\nsearch. Google shows nothing but the correct Moore&#8217;s Law info on the<br \/>\nfirst 3 pages, and so does MSFT. I dug not deeper, becuae people seldom<br \/>\ndoo. If it&#8217;s not on the first page (mAYBE 2 or 3) then nobody&#8217;s going to see it anyway.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Google&#8217;s #1 result is Wikipedia, a free site.   All 10 on Google page 1 are<br \/>\narticles, with only #10, pointing to PBS being commercial.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>MSN&#8217;s # 1 result is actually Intel, a commercial site, so I&#8217;m still not<br \/>\nquite buying your argument. That said, whoever has the most relevant<br \/>\nresults to what I really want is who I&#8217;ll use for personal searches,<br \/>\nand I&#8217;m sure Microsoft would love to see more people expressing views<br \/>\nsimilar to your own.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Mind if I put this on my blog? Then you can feel free to add more<br \/>\ncomments there, and perhaps others will as well&#8230;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Scott<\/em><\/p>\n<p>And finally, his last one &#8211;<\/p>\n<p><em>GOOGLE<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Result No. 19 on page 2 is about razor blades!  What kind of algorithm is that?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>If the subject was search engines, I am sure that you, Scott, would have looked at more than the first two pages.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Result 20 on page 2 is about (against!) the Ten Commandments.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The Intel site, result No. 3, is a redirect!  Do you think your site could get the No. 3 spot on a redirect?  Something is wrong with Google&#8217;s algorithm.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>MICROSOFT<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>MSN http:\/\/www.live.com\/?searchonly=true on moore&#8217;s law:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Number 1 is an Intel site on M.L. that, unlike Google&#8217;s Intel result, is not a redirect.  Numbers 8 and 13 claim to be about M.L. but aren&#8217;t.<br \/>\nHowever, they are closer than razor blades (found on Google), as both claim to be about M.L. and one defines it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Google has been at this game a lot longer, but I find that Microsoft Live Search has &#8220;moore&#8221; than caught up.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Microsoft has its monopoly, but Google has one in search and it is not justified by results.  I am switching my home page from Google to Microsoft&#8217;s Live Search.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Best,<br \/>\nClayton<\/em><\/p>\n<p>With all that&#8217;s undoubtedly been written about Moore&#8217;s Law, you have to wonder&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Why DOES <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.economist.com\/science\/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5624861\">this page<\/a> and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/id\/2087621\/\">this page<\/a> appear on Google&#8217;s page two for &#8220;Moore&#8217;s Law&#8221;? Is it really just because the main domains (Economist.com &#038; Slate.com) are considered highly &#8220;authoritative&#8221; by Google? (showing a Google Page Ranks of 9 &#038; 8 respectively)<br \/>\nSo does Clayton work for Microsoft? Even if he does, is he on to something here?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>That&#8217;s the claim of someone that emailed me yesterday. After reading his email and subsequent replies to mine, I decided to post. Any thoughts? What&#8217;s your search engine of choice, and why? Here&#8217;s his original email &#8211; Dear Sir: I have been reading your pages with great interest. 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