Comments on: Email Fascism by Linux Magic – Wizard Tower Technoservices

By: Scott

Scott — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:47:15 +0000

Thanks so much for that, Doug!

By: Doug Smith

Doug Smith — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:30:06 +0000

I keep running into more messages blocked by these systems. The latest are pioneercable.net and murray-ky.net. I do try to let the ISP know but most of the time my message is also blocked.

Funny that the ISPs using this system aren’t blocked themselves since most of them send commercial messages.

By the way, I did run across some new information (I think) on the BMS page. They give a list of the blacklists they provide with links to each. http://www.linuxmagic.com/products/bms

By: Scott

Scott — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:28:13 +0000

Thanks for sharing that, Doug - You know the killer for me? The fact that they're counting RECIEPTS against you! That's really the bizarre line of logic that these idiots crossed, and what makes their "service" so unreasonably irritating. I wonder if iZoom and WTConnect are even aware of what's going on!

By: Doug Smith

Doug Smith — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:56:29 +0000

A company that I’m working with just got on this crazy blacklist and can’t get off. And now we’re seeing a lot more e-mail bounces because of it.

We only send e-mail to those who have requested it, with the most common messages being receipts for a purchase or a newsletter from a double-opt-in mailing list. We can show the record of the user request and confirmation for any address they mail.

Now we have users complaining because they didn’t get their receipt or a message with the links to download e-books they purchased. And we have no way to contact them unless they give us an alternate means to reach them.

I did have some luck with one ISP by writing to their postmaster address and explaining the situation. (My message to their help address was bounced because of BMS.) They are still using the system but whitelisted our domain. So now I have a form letter that I’m sending to ISPs when I get a BMS bounce. It explains the situation and points here to your post.

By the way, here are two of the ISPs I’ve recently run into using this system: izoom.net and wtconnect.com. Steer clear.

By: Drew

Drew — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:01:18 +0000

My confusion on your previous post, and my apologies.

The ISP is razzolink.com and is connected to MipSpace by, you guessed who, Linuxmagic.

I will write an email to Razzolink, and encourage them to contact linuxmagic to change their spam methods

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:21:33 +0000

I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear – there’s no need to disclose YOUR provider, because they’re not the ones using mipspace and the matter is out of their hands if mispace is blocking them – You said you have “… a client that happens to have several contacts hosted with a provider using the mipspace service.” – so I was just suggesting that you disclose THAT provider that hosts those contacts here, and perhaps they’ll respond.

I’m not sure there’s anything legally that can be done, because THAT provider is the one choosing to use mipspace for their clients, whatever their shortcomings. This is just the (stupid) way that techno-wizard / mipspace works, and I’d think the better providers will eventually dump ‘em with enough complaints.

I hope you ‘re successful – We”ve lost some income too from it, by losing a couple of hosting customers…

By: Drew

Drew — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:10:09 +0000

I will not be disclosing my provider. I do not wish to cost my provider customers due to the action and misrepresentation of a 3rd party company. The responsibility is to MIPSPACE alone.

My provider has been around for years and offers a good product. The # of servers I lease would take me months to move all services to a new provider and cost me a hefty profit. Something not economical to do considering the low number of recipients hosted by providers using their email filtering service.

I am, however, willing to take this to the legal system. I have done so before. Currently I have been able to sway several companies to alter the filtering of my IP using persuasion and letters from legal counsel. If I lose any income from this, I will take it to court.

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:27:38 +0000

Sorry, no change in status, in fact it’s gotten worse. To me, these guys are bad guys, and don’t give a rip about anyone that’s not paying them directly – i.e. the provider using mipspace – Take it up with your web host, and refer them here to read what’s going on, and perhaps send infop t othat provider too –
Please tell us… Who are they, this “provider? Perhaps people should avoid that provider? I would, since mipspace is immune to any recourse – If enough people shun providers using them, then they’ll dump Wizard / mipspace.

By: Drew

Drew — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:21:41 +0000

What is your status regarding this Scott?

I have used the same host for 5 years now, and not come across this problem until i started a new server lease with them.

I have one client that happens to have several contacts hosted with a provider using the mipspace service.

Because of their non-logical attitude towards blocking, I may be losing a client that is hosting several large sites with a large email volume.

Spam protection has changed so much in the last 4 years. I do not need to subscribe to any black-list at all with the new methods emerging recently.

I want to pursue this, possibly with legal action, so any information that you or any others can offer would be appreciated.

By: Brad Wilson

Brad Wilson — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:45:26 +0000

Hi Scott,
I am not sure how it happened, but all of my ips have been unblocked by mipspace. I had called Pro VPS (owned by NDChost) and was told they would contact Mipspace. He sounded quite confident but I was not sure he would succeed, but he did. Anyway this makes life a lot easier around here!